6-months baby-boy form Russia: day routing

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Leenkin1
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Ох, если бы не понятно откуда вылезшая в самый не подходящий момент аллергия, мы бы уже ели кашу на ужин - хотя бы полчашки. С ним такое в первый раз, я уже 2 недели как исключили из пищи аллергены, не помогает :( очень переживаю.
В России рекомендуют начинать прикорм с овощей или кисломолочного, затем каши, затем мясо. Как в Швеции? И как выглядит дневной рацион малышей? Утро и вечер - каша, обед - овощи и мясо, полдник - творожок? Примерно так или как-то иначе?
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как выглядит аллергия, в чём выражается?
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TorsMamma
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Hi,

I found this info for you in English regarding IAHP and the Doman Technique. It has to do with the crawling and the brain development.

Let me know if I can help you with anything! Lena is great, and together we can make it work you know! :D

http://www.internationalparentingassoci ... lity3.html
Tor 2006
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Лена, аллергия классика - красные щечки, небольшое шелушение, обостряется после еды. Возникла 2 недели назад, сейчас лучше, я кушаю намного аккуратнее - надеюсь, что через 2-3 дня все проявления пропадут. Сегодня на ужин съели 2 чайные ложки каши на грудном молоке - благосклонно :)
Как в Швеции относятся к так называемому "педагогическому прикорму" - когда малышу в микроскопических дозах предлагаются продукты с общего стола? В России сейчас это очень популярно. Не знаю, как перевести это понятие на английский ...

Lena and TorsMamma, thank you SO MUCH for your sympathy! I feel myself so brave with your support. Your help is very valuable and important for me. Thank you, thank you.
I will look through the materials and definitely do my best to help child crawling ASAP.

As I told to Lena already we had to put solid food on hold forewhile due to allergy to breast milk :( so I've decided to continue breastfeed once at night - at 4-5 hours as you say. I understood that in this case I can't count on cure but I continue to use all tools as earlier: schedule and jingle. Our life become much better in common but baby still wakes up 3-4 times at night, sometimes he wakes up too early in the morning. I hope we could have 12-hours night as soon as have enough solid food during the day.

I would like to ask for advise. We can't give a separate room for the baby - we have common one. But since the beginning of the cure I and my husband sleep in the living room to give baby his quite and safety. Now we desperately want to return to our sweet bad :) is it ok for this stage? How it would be better to implement it?
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Hi,

I'm glad we can help and support you! :D

I’m so sorry about the allergy that I interpret as being allergic to milkprotein which can be found in breastmilk if you eat milk products such as cheese, milk, butter milk, cream. Normally it can also be found in 4 month old porridge as well. But if you give sweet potatoes (yams), parsnip, carrot, corn, rice it should work. And then you can breastfeed during the meals. You can also cook your own porridge from oatmeal that you mix and boil, add proons to it for the belly to work properly.
There is a oatley milk you can use here in Sweden when baby is allergic to regular milk, or rice milk.

What are the symptoms of the allergy?

If you would like to move back into the bedroom you need to create a “space” of his own, typically would be using drapery from the ceiling to the floor. Noise is not a problem but it needs to be absolutely pitch black and not being able to see you even if he stands up. Some people use a “folding wall” (that you use to change clothes behind).
Tor 2006
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LenaK
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Одна из мам, которой TorsMamma посоветовала увеличить порции, с огромным удивлением и почти с испугом описала как много её малыш (6 месяцев) оказывается может съесть, например: завтрак 400 гр смеси в течение получаса
обед большая банка детского питания, большой банан, полбанки фруктового пюре и 120 гр смеси.
мама была в шоке, но малыш перестал просыпаться.
На такой обед способны, конечно, немногие дети, но как пример он неплох :D
К тому же этот малыш гулял на свежем воздухе 2 раза в день и активно ползал.

Да, в Швеции детей после их кормления сажают за общий стол и они хватают всё, что им захочется. Главное успеть измельчить :lol:

В книге о детях можно урывками читать именно то, что касается возраста вашего малыша. Приближаясь к восьми месяцам рекомендую приготовиться заранее :wink:
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He has slightly rose and rough cheeks right now. They were bright red two weeks ago and completely normal befor that. I didn't change my meal a lot, hope that this is just temporary reaction for some unknown harmful ingredient :evil:

However we've started with solid food. He ate corn porridge for dinner and cauliflower
pure for breakfast, about 3 tea spoons each. As I understood there is no reason to limit the amount of meal - just let him eat as much as he wants and to feed faster?
I assume that we need a few days to get used to new meal and that can eat in plenty :)
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Hi,

Do you have any allergies in the family today? Please check that the corn porridge don’t have any milk powder, just to be sure. Vegetable pure you can fortify with rape oil and breast milk if you pump some from the night and the morning. As I said before just keep putting food in his mouth, don’t wait for his approval, just smile and put it in, FAST. He doesn’t need to swallow between just keep going. Normally their patience will end quite quickly so you have normally let’s say about 20 min to feed the food and then another 10-15 min for the fruit dessert. Give him something like Pear for dessert. You can just before the night and the long nap give him banana it contains something called tryptophan and is a sort of melatonin which makes babies sleep better and longer.

When you have come up into about 2 porridge meals and 2 vegetable with meat meals and fruit dessert we can try to do the cure over if you’d like?

Just let me know what I can do to help and assist you in this.
:D
Tor 2006
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Do you think we can try fruits in the parallel with porridge/vegetables? They usually recommend here to introduce new food step-by-step: vegetables 2-3 weeks -> porridge 2-3 weeks -> meat -> fermented milk -> fruits. It takes months to get to the fruits ;)

There is no allergy in our family :( and no milk in porridge as well. Thank you for all advices regarding the food especially as in Russia we have very traditional and I would say too careful approach to infant meal.
LenaK also described that after the meal baby is sitar the common table to have the ability to try any common food. In what age is it possible?

And one more question I very interested in if it's allowed here ... What do you think about vaccination in Sweden? There are a lot of specialist here in our days who come out against vaccination. It seams too dangerous for me personally as we do not have completely clear population sorry to say.
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HI

You absolutely DONT need to do 2-3 weeks with each food group. 2-3 days maximum 1 week is enough to detect any allergy. As soon as you have 2-3 vegetables you can add the fruit. Don’t be so careful you can do it! :P

We actually just got new directions on the fact that introducing new foods don’t need to be done like you describe any more you can combine more and see what happens. You want to introduce all the foods with breastfeeding, and with that in mind you might want to speed up things a little bit.

Regarding vaccinations, there are 2 camps about this here. Anna Wahlgren thinks that since the immune system is working on building up the first couple of years she wishes not to vaccinate tiny children. But here in Sweden they give the first vaccination at 3 months and they are very PRO vaccination here. I believe that if you are home with your child the first 3 years then postponing the vaccination with a few months could be considered. But if you have many parents NOT vaccinating their children then it is more likely that your child gets measles for example and that can have serious outcomes. So take the most important once at lets say starting at 6-9 months might be a good idea. But I want to stress, we don’t give any recommendations, these are just thoughts and you need to consider the pro and cons to vaccination yourslef. If everyone vaccinates then you can wait a bit, but if many don’t vaccinate then perhaps you will need to vaccinate to be safe. Also it has to do with the reactions to the vaccination. If you have great reactions, then you need to think a bit more I believe.

I believe that vaccination is one of the most difficult questions we are dealing with in these days. Please read all the info you can get your hands on and make sure you make a secure decision for your family. I took all the vaccines on my child.
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:heart: FTLOC child from the beginning. Slept his first 12 hour night 5 days before 4 months. :heart:
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Hi!
Why it's so important to introduce more food while breasfeeding? Some kind of protection?
Thank you for sharing the info and your point of view re. vaccination. I completely understand that no recommendations could be given here. It' s so difficult to make the decision especially in Russia when some people say that Americans test their new drugs on our children :?

I have to admit that with solid food we are not going as fast as I wish :( we still have an unidentified allergy and he doesn't like new food a lot, can eat just several spoons of porridge or pure :(

As I'm still breasfeeding at night I can't implement the cure completely :( and Marc wakes up several times every night. Usually I use the jingle and it takes him maximum 15 minutes to calm down and asleep. But somrtimes jingle doesnt help and rather often he wakes up very early (at 6 or 7) and can't sleep again. I try to follow our schedule and take him out from the crib at 9 but it's very painful for all of us.
So I'm confuse a lot. Should I use the cure partly? Use only some tools? Doesn't use anything and forget about it till the food question would be resolved? Could you please advise something as I'm almost in desperate :( right now he is "asking questions" about half an hour already however was asleep an hour ago :(((
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Hi, :D

Some doctors believe that if you introduce food while breastfeeding the child gets some of the mother’s antibodies from BM and helps support the child and the immune system. But some say introduce allergens as late as possible. I don’t like that because I meet hungry children all the time who don’t sleep due to hunger.

May I please give you the advice to read you whole tread once again. I don’t believe in giving the jingle at a wakeing and then if it doesn’t “work” pick him up to breast feed, this will only confuse him, then he won’t know when to do what.

Also as I say in the beginning of your thread having night 21-09 is quite uncommon here in Sweden. The most common night for most children here if they were to choose would be around 19-07. I personally never recommend nights later than 20-08.

How is his pooh? Does he do pooh in the diaper at least once every day?

Do you keep the schedule during the day down to the minute at the most flex with 15 min? The sleep and the food during the whole day reflects on how they sleep at night. So you can’t wing it during the day and hope for the night if you understand me?

If you can’t give him more food I think just like you that you will need to breastfeed 1-2 times during the night. But even if you decide to put the cure on ice until you have better feedings, you should still be able to have 12 hour night.
Is it pitch black in the room? No nightlights?

Let me know when you’ve read the thread again.
Tor 2006
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:heart: FTLOC child from the beginning. Slept his first 12 hour night 5 days before 4 months. :heart:
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Hi, I did it - red through the whole thread again. It was truly usefull for me, thank you :)
But questions and doubts are still on the table ...
TorsMamma skrev:I don’t believe in giving the jingle at a wakeing and then if it doesn’t “work” pick him up to breast feed, this will only confuse him
It's completely clear and right. I always use jingle only to calm him down except of awakenings at 4-5 hours in the morning. This only time I rapidly pick him up without any word. I believe he will understand that jingle means a sleep, no feeding.

21-9 is rather early for Russian families. 21 is the earliest go-to-bed time among all my fellows. In fact he sleeps till 9 after 4-5 breasfeeding sometimes. It makes me hope that this is possible.

His pooh was very rare while breasfeeding only - once in 3-4 days. Now with vegetables and porridge he does pooh once or even twice a day.

I keep day naps very steady but realize right now that feeding schedule is also very important. I used to breastfeed on demand in anytime and a little portion of breastmilk befor every nap. I understand now that this is not correct - he needs enough break to become hungry, doesn't he? I've implemented this approach today (solid meals with breastmilk adjunctions right in schedule time). It didn't help yet - not a lot of porridge he ate, 3 teaspoons as usuall.

Yes, it's completely black, no tiny night lights in the room. But I can see my hands in a few minutes of being there, is it wrong? We are going to put black curtain over baby crib.
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Hi,

All questions are allowed. Rereading a thread makes you see how far you have come and implement advice you were given earlier.

Yes it is very important to get hungry between meals, therefore it needs to go 3,5-4 hours before next meal. You have 45 min to feed the food and breastfeed with that. Even children who breastfeed here in Sweden are set on a schedule. When doing the cure or standard model, which you can read all about in the book "for the love of children".

Good with pooh every day or even twice, real good! Keep feeding.
We are going to put black curtain over baby crib.
Please don’t put curtains “over” the crib, but around is fine, a bit out from the bed so he can’t stand up and pull them soon. If you can see your hand it is not dark enough.

Good with the jingle and feeding the way you have it. That should work!

Now keep up the good work and keep feeding him during the day lots and very fast. Put some fruit pure in tip of the spoon if needed. Better to have a baby who is full and happy than a baby who is hungry but trying things in the right order, if you get my drift.
Tor 2006
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:heart:

:heart: FTLOC child from the beginning. Slept his first 12 hour night 5 days before 4 months. :heart:
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Hi and thank you again :) you' and Anna with her books have opened a whole new world for me. I have read about Standard Model and I desperately wish I had this book earlier!!! I' m not sure that my baby is good "researcher, working bee and flirter" at his 6 months as she describes in FTLOC and I'm apparently that person who has to reboot ... Hope it's not too late.

I'd like to clarify one little thing. You said in our conversation "if he wakes up on a nap that is supposed to be 1,5 hours lets say after 20 mins he is probably still hungry, if he wakes up after 45 min you need to rock the stroller or jingle him back to sleep, even if you need to use the 15 min over the nap time to do it". So, is it a main purpose to make him asleep till the end of 'night' or nap time even if it takes extra 15 min? Even if he woke up two ours earlier then he supposed to? Actually I pick him up in 15 min to target time to reduce our suffering ...
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